Use the questions below to start off this week's discussion. Comments due by Saturday at 8 PM
- To reward and punish is the best thing in the world says the Count on p. 213. Why do you think this is so important to him? Would it be important to you or would you focus on something else?
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My opinion of Dantes has changed a lot from the beginning of the book until now. Dantes used to be an innocent man with everything ahead of him in life, but now he has it all except for a wife. He has a slave. Part of me says he is selfish because he tried to take the credit for saving Mrs. Villefort and her son's lives when it was really Ali who saved them. My opinion of him also changed because he became smarter throughout the years and got ideas of becoming different identities to learn about the years he's missed.
Caroline...you do realize the only reason the horses bolted was b/c MC made them bolt. It was a completely fake rescue.
just a question, this discussion covers up to pg 225, right?
Dantès thinks that revenge is so important that he places it before anything else. He used to only think about making himself and the people around him happy. I believe there was a short story that we read in class that connects to this, but I forget the name of it.
When he used to be ‘innocent’ and just thought everyone was happy and that no one would want to hurt him, he would have never wanted revenge. His time in jail before Faria, and then the realization of who was to blame for putting him in jail, changed him tremendously. Faria was afraid that he had shown Dantès vengeance. Personally, I do not completely blame Faria for this; Dantès just took the meaning of revenge and twisted it until it meant justice to him.
My opinion of Dantès has changed significantly. In the beginning of the book, Dantès was so kind and happy. He did not think anyone could be as cruel as Danglars, etc. We did not get to know Dantès’ character very well from before he went to jail. But the author has supplied enough information to support the idea of Dantès’ change. Dantès said “Good-bye, Monsieur Morrel, and thank you from the bottom of my heart,” (Dumas 6). He seems to be cheerful, except for some obvious angry moods, up until Faria dies.
I liked Dantès better in the beginning of the book, but that is only because I prefer cheerful characters.
Now, Dantès is a creature of revenge and plotting. All of the years from escaping jail to ≈pg. 200 have changed him. He is still Dantès, hidden up in him. A shell of revenge is clouding his true character.
Yesssssss Mr. Brady, I understand. I was just stating an opinion. Kind of. WELL I kind of understand, it's just a really confusing book.
Yes, my opinion of Dantès has greatly changed. At the beginning, I viewed him as an honorable but naïve man, because of events such as when he wondered why getting involved with the affairs of a banished emperor would get him in trouble. Later, after his transformation into the Count of Monte Cristo, he shows great adeptness into the fanatics of human nature, and is extremely experienced and adept in political dealings.
I think Dantès is trying to bring both vengeance and justice. At first, he vowed to bring down vengeance, but the way he is doing it - slowly making them suffer like he did, seems to be more of a grasp at justice, so I think it truly is justice. Vengeance motivating justice.
It seems justice and vengeance, to Monte Cristo, represents ultimate power, so he vies for it (hence the "if you could do anything/have anything" part, the "top of the world", and the "greatest" parts). Being richer then any man in the world is not what truly matters, only an avenue toward his greater goal. What is that greater goal? To act upon the deeds done against him. To be Providence in his world.
To reward and punish is important to Dantes because he wants to reward the people who stayed loyal to him and punish those who ruined his life. I understand this because it would be important to me to seek vengance as well.
I disagree with Evan and Caroline. I don't think Dantes has changed that drasticly. I can see hints of his old self in the book. Like when he gives back to his Morrell. His kindness was very giving and UNSELFISH as Caroline stated.
I think Dantes has changed somewhat over the course of the book. In the beginning, he had no reason to want to punish anyone, as no one had wronged him. But once he escaped his cruel fate of the prison, he knew he needed to make those who made him suffer, suffer as well. Also, as Tiger Boy said, the Count feels a need to have ultimate power in his world. He knows that with his money and intellect, he can accomplish what most men think of as a mere fantasy.
Off what Dan Willis said I agree with him. The only reason we didn't see the "real" Dantes is because he hadn't had anything bad go wrong in is life yet. He was to young and naive to know his true spirit.
Christen, you may be able to see "hints" (HAHA) of his old self, but you don't think he's changed that much? You don't think the years have given him wisdom and made him a totally different person? Well not COMPLETELY different, but I do agree when you said there are still "HINTS" of his old self.
"My opinion of Dantes has changed a lot from the beginning of the book until now."
I think thats enough evidence you think he has changed completely throughout the book.
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Christen, what are you saying? I'm asking you why you don't think he's changed that much..... not what I said.........
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LAWLS. I am saying that you said... Wait i will post your comments.
"You don't think the years have given him wisdom and made him a totally different person? Well not COMPLETELY different..." You just contradictd yourself. You SAID THAT he changed completly.
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"My opinion of Dantes has changed a lot from the beginning of the book until now." Look at the word A LOT.
Christen, I didn't mean COMPLETELY. And I said I didn't mean completely. I'm saying he DID A LOT, as stated above, but still has "hints" of his old self.
LAWLS.
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Caroline, IN MY OPINON ( the only one that matters here) A LOT and COMPLETELY are the same.
Seriously? A LOT means a big amount of. COMPLETELY means full amount or all. Come on, Chris, we're in 8th grade. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
ITS UP TO OUR PEERS
Christen - Although he has not seemingly changed much, he has experienced a lot more and been given huge amounts of knowledge, which has changed his outlook on the world and on other people. He interacts differently, and understands the motives of greed and revenge now, which before he had no contact with. His feelings are changed, and has lost the unrestrained devotion to man that he had before. His experiences now shape him as a person, don't you agree? And if that is so, than he has changed, since he did not have those experiences before.
I have my OWN opinions!
I think Evan is right. Christen, I'm sorry, but Dantes has changed a lot, he used to be an innocent man, who loved everyone. Now, he's a bitter man, who seeks"justice" when it is mostly vengeance. In my opinion (because were all entitled to our own opinions) he should reveal himself to these men, then, if they try to turn him in, kill them. That would shock them the most, and probably scare the crap out of them.
For Dantes, to reward and punish is the most important thing to him because of all he's been through. For him, he thinks it is importnant for the people who do good things to be rewarded and for the people who do bad things to be punished. He shows this by rewarding Monsieur Morrel since he tried to help him when he went to jail. For those who do bad things, he wants to punish them and will punish them. After 14 years in prison and his life being taken away from him because of what 3 people did to him, it must be important that they too have to pay in some way for their actions.
Thanks JonnyMan, knew I could count on you. Christen - sorry, you are entitled to your own opinions (even if they are wrong)
In addition, I think that justice is the return of deeds given out, good or bad, and that is what Dantès is doing - slowly making the offenders suffer like he did. Vengeance is more of getting back at someone for what they did to you, not necessarily by doing something of equal value. Revenge is more a personal issue, and usually is connected to the avenger by personal connections, whereas justice is not necessarily.
I believe that justice is an eye for an eye. Dantes was forced to suffer and he is being very just by causing the ones who hurt him to suffer the same way. I also think that most of the characters are the same except Dantes. In the beginning he was innocent and naive but has become crafty and vengeful.
Yes, I totally agree. Great articulation.
I love you all who disagree with Christen.
Then your about to love me Caroline because I disagree with Christen. At the beginning of the book, Dantes was trying to be humble about the fact that he might get captain.Yes, he was excited but he put his priorities first and even turned down Morell on having dinner with him. Now, Dantes is hungry for revenge and has turned into someone bossy who continuously flaunts his money. He now has servants and is always telling them what to buy him and says that things can always be his at a high price. Like we talked about in class, Dantest thinks that he is God.
I agree in disagreeing with Christen, but I do not think he flaunts money necessarily, but power, sometimes through money. Money is a source of power, and that is what he now has, since he is one of the richest men in the world now. He thinks he is God, you say. That ties into what I said about Providence before, that he wants power. He is merely using the money to go towards a greater goal, and spends it so much, I think, because he does not care for it that much.
I agree with Ben. Justice is doing back the wrong or something else of equal punishment to the person who has done wrong to you. Right now i think Dantes is doing justice, although he's not making them suffer enough. So until further on i cant say if he's doing justice because we haven't read his final act of justice.
Tiger Boy- I think he does care for his money, though it may not seem that way. His ultimate desire, as you said, is to have power, but his money is his key of achieving that power. Without it, he would be like any other man(minus the escape from prison).
i disagree with you Ben. I do not think justice is an eye for and eye. For example in the case of rape. When someone is raped, the rapist should not be raped back. That is just unjust. I really think justice depends on the situation. Dantes is making them suffer just like he did, so in this situation an eye for an eye is right.
Dan - I see what you mean. The money is the key to his goal - what makes him different from most men, so he indirectly does care about his wealth, it is just so large that spending like crazy does not matter.
Abby -
Justice |ˈjəstis| noun
the quality of fairness
Fair - |fer|
Equality and just action
Equality. Doing back what was done. Giving back what was given in the same amount. That is justice. Dantès is trying to administer justice. When one says "bring to justice" it means to get back for what was done, and we judge the punishments based on the crime - to try to give as much punishment as the crime did to its victims. that is why we don;t give the death sentence for burglars, but do for murderers (or life in prison) since we want to basically make the person "pay" for his crime in equal value. Pay for it in punishment. We pay for bread by about how much it is worth. That is what we do for crime, and what Dantès is trying to do to Villefort, Danglars, and Fernand.
I agree with everyone who said that Dante has changed throughout the book. Before he went to jail he was a curious, caring, and respectable young man. But now since jail he is physically older and he is smarter because the years in jail have given him time to think about his life and where everthing went wrong. Now after he found the treasure he turned into a rich man who only wants revenge on those who put him in prison.
My opinion has changed with Caderousse. At the beginning of the book he just sounded like a selfish drunk snob who jokingly came up with the idea to get Dante imprisoned. Then Fernand and Danglars actually carried out the plan. I always thought that caderousse was the least guilty of the four men. Then when Dante escapes prison and pays caderousse a visit caderousse seems nice and like he regrets everything that happened. He tells the priest (Dante) everything about the plan to get Dante in jail and how everyones lives have changed. During this scene the author makes it seem like caderousse is actually sorry for what he did. Then finally towards page 225 they have the whole scene where caderousse gets payed for the diamond then he kills his wife and the diamond buyer. So now his profits have doubled and then he just ran away. That once again changes my opinion about him to he is an untrustworthy old man who will kill for money.
i think that Dante's does have a right to be able to go revenge on the people who have done him wrong and i think his changes through out the book are good and bad. the reason i think they are good because he should be able to get them back for putting him in jail for about 14 years and he didn't do anything to have to go in jail he was nice to everyone even the people who hated him. a bad reason is he could do something bad that he will regret at some point and then have a reason to go in jail
Thanks guys! Alright, I would like to redeem myself. A new argument I would like to propose is about happiness. I don't think true happiness can ever be attained. Everyone has a different definition of happiness. The dictionary definition of happiness is
hap·pi·ness
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the quality or state of being happy.
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good fortune; pleasure; contentment; joy.
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Christen, we already had this discussion in class.... I think you should start listening and contributing more.
I never got to discuss my argument because we ended the discussion. I disagree you should contribute more. You only posted that comment because you couldn't tear apart my argument.
Already tore it apart! Everyone disagreed with you and you didn't get your way so you had to come up with a topic ALREADY discussed so you could make yourself look smart. LAWLS :dddd
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No. I wanted to redeem myself with a more positive argument because everyone was talking about the SAME thing until now.
So you want to discuss something already discussed... basically you're going to steal answers from the other kids.... wow. That's so low, Christen! LAWLS :ddddd :| Maybe everyone was talking about the same thing, but at least they're THIS WEEK'S discussion questions and not like last week's.
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What does low mean? Who uses "That's so low." Caroline you need to get with it! Be hip! Hipster!
P.S Work on your capitalization.
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Oh my gosh. I did not mean that URL. I google "fat llama." I am so sorry.
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My capitalization was to express a point and to prove it. Christen, I am perfectly fine with my capitalization. I'm sure there is a disease for people who have problems with capitalization errors. Seek help!
If you don't know what "that's so low" means, you also need to seek medical attention.
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My point exactly! You need medical attention.
Ouch! And back to the discussion. WE WILL LEAVE IT UP TO OUR FELLOW STUDENTS
Tiger boy- yes that may be the definition, but justice cannot served in some situations because it would just be stupid. SO YOU'RE WRONG.
Chrissy, true happiness can be attained. Maybe try this week's topics.
I HEREBY DECLARE A MORATORIUM ON PICKING ON CHRISSY...don't ask, look it up!
Well, in most, especially in this situation, dealing back 14 year of suffering is easier, and works, because you do what Dantès is doing - making them slowly suffer like he did. Although I agree cases like rape don't really fit, most do, especially the one we're concerned about - Dantès imprisonment.
A random point that I just have to make is that definitions of things such as happiness, bravery, etc. are not fixed in a dictionary. Most dictionaries define these words using the word itself in the definition.
Anyway, Dantès is bringing vengeance, but he defines his revenge as justice. From his point-of-view, Dantès is being just, but to our position as the readers, he is taking revenge.
What do you think?
I agree with Jill. For example, the definition of justice is fairness, but what may be fair to someone may not be fair to someone else, same thing with justice and happiness.
I think he truly is doing justice while satisfying his lust for revenge. instead of just killing Fernand, Villefort, and Danglars, an easy way to act on revenge, he is trying to act through justice and Providence by slowly making them suffer like he did.
I agree that Dantes has changed drastically over the course of the novel, and I'm feeling slightly guilty that I like I like the new Dantes (The Count of Monte Cristo) more than I like the old Dantes. Edmound Dantes was a naive and simple sailor, but The Count of Monte Cristo is an enigmatic and charismatic philanthropist.
Dont feel guilty Jack i feel the same way. The new Edmond Dantes (Conte of Monte Cristo) is much more entertaining than the old one who was a simple man just looking to move on with his life and his love Mercedes. Now he sits and thinks about ways to make people suffer and then kill them. But he doesnt just kill people he makes them suffer like he did in prison. He is crazy for blood from his thought out revenge
I disagree that he is going to kill them. I think he is just going to make them suffer badly and i also agree on liking the new Dantes (The Count of Monte Cristo)because he does more interesting things.
I agree with Evan that Dantes is doing justice because killing Fernand, Villefort, and Danglars,would be revenge and to simple and would not be making them suffer as he did. Making them suffer is what they did to him and so that is justice.
I agree with Mike that I don't think he will kill them, but I also agree with Jack and Ian. The count's personality is more entertaining than Dantes'. It is interesting to see his well thought out plans for revenge. Also even though he spent 14 years in prison, he did not die, so he wants to give all of the people involved an equal punishment, not kill them.
My opinion on Dantes has changed a lot as the book continued. At first I thought that he was nice to just about everyone, even those mean or rude to him. He seemed like a caring person who truly deserved the happiness he was about to have being captain and marrying Mercedes. Then, when he escaped from prison and became the Count of Monte Cristo, he swore that he would get his revenge. This seemed like the opposite of what his personality was before prison. I agree that it is interesting to see what his revenge will be, but it also makes him seem like a completely different person.
i think that since dantes didn't die, his revenge wont include them dying.
He seems to aply hamurabi's code, in which an eye for an eye is the rules of the land. they took away his happiness, and now he is off to steal theirs.
I think Dantes is doing justice because:
1. He never committed a crime
2. Danglars, Fernand, Caderousse, & Villefort (Or at least his father) all committed crimes
But he could also be doing vengeance because:
1. He obviously wants to get back at them
2. He wants to make them suffer like him
3. If it were really completely justice, he would tip off the police, wouldn't he?
Either way could be correct, I guess.
oooh good point Mitch, very thought provoking. I guess this leads to the point which Chrissy brough up earlier in the discussion about attaining happiness. Though we've already discussed this in class I do think happiness can be attained because when they ruined Dantes life, it made them happy to see his life crumble. Now, Dantes is going to be happy to see their lives crumble.
I agree with Mitchy, Dante did not die, but probably if he did not survive in the prison then he would die.
this very important to the count because he punishes the people who put him in jail for 14 years and rewards people who were nice to him an help him to his revenge.
yes it would be important to get revenge especially something like prison for 14 years for something I never did.
I think Dantes is bringing more vengence than justice. Justice is a fair thing, vengence is not. Dantes was put in jail because he was framed. Then he wants to seek revenge. Some of the things he does are not fair or just.
I think if he did seek killing it would be selfish, and as I said in class today, it would reduce my views of him greatly. I support his anger-driven justice and the slow payback for what Villefort, Danglars, and Fernand did to him, but killing would be for satisfaction and personal pleasure only, so I feel it is not right to kill someone who did not kill you (although, it is true Dantès probably would have died if he did not escape, so it isn't as bad).
I have to disagree with Tiger Boy. I believe The Count of Monte Cristo dragging out his revenge and not simply killing the men who caused his imprisonment is selfish. The reason that he's making a plan to ruin the men's lives is because he wants to see them endure the worst punishment possible. In addition, there are many more fufiling and constructive things he could do with his wealth than spending years ploting revenge.
My opinion on Dandglars has changed since the begining of the book. At the begining I thought he was Dantes really good friend and now he is Dantes enemy. I also never would of guessed he would became rich.
Interesting. My opinion of Mercédès has changed since the beginning of the book. Originally, I was suspicious with her talking to Fernand. Then, I thought her nice and good for Dantès. “’I love Edmond Dantès,’ replied the girl coldly, ‘and no other man will ever be my husband,’”(Dumas 12).
Now, I am not sure what to think of her. She went off and married Fernand, even though she told Fernand she would not do that.
On the same page, after Fernand asked if she would always love Dantès, “As long as I live,” was her reply. If so, then why did she not talk to Dantès when she suspects him to be the Count of Monte Cristo? Maybe Dantès has changed too, but she could have at least talked to him.
I have lost most of my respect for her as a character because she said she would always love Dantès. Sure, opinions change, but she was about to marry Dantès!
at the beginning of the book dantes seemed to be better then he is now. he disserved to have everything that he had. being the captain and having a beautiful future wife. people may have been jealus but dantes didnt really care. he worked hard to get what he wanted. just like what allysa b said " when he escaped the jail he became the count." his personality changed dramatically. all he wanted to do now was get revenge. he didnt even realize that getting revege is really just a waist of time.
My view on the count of Monte Cristo has changed because he used to be a destined man. He wanted to live a successful true life, and he did until prison. Eversince being trapped in jail he's gone insane. He no longer lives a healthy live. Therefore, he just lies and puts on an act of being this rich count, all for revenge. I've just lost the respect in him.
i totlay agree with sarah. i think at the beginning of the book everyone saw him as being great. i dont think he has gone insane, but he is deffinetly making the wrond deccisions. in his mind he may think that hving a succesful life is by getting revenge because that is all he is thinking about. maybe further in the book he will realize what he is doing.
**decision**
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Good discussion- just stopped in to see if people remembered to post. Though I think to claim he is insane might be a tad strong.
I totally agree with Brooke and Mr. Brady. Brady said he is insane and a a little strong. Dante's must be strong because he could escape jail and he is still playing along with his act. He must really want that revenge because he is working SO hard for it, going through a lot for it. I also think Dante's is smart. He is smart because he has thought through this whole plan, and so far, so good. Everything has worked out well and most people are believing it. But, I honestly don't know how long this whole plan will work.
sarah i think you misunderstood what mr.brady said he meant it isn't appropriate to call him insane i think he has a good reason to do all the things he is doing because these men lost him about 15 years of his life that he can't get back. if he had lost sanity he would have ended up running around killing everyone dealing with the incident let alone being able to formulate a plan to escape prison
I agree with Stuey that Dantes has not gone insane. He is far from it and admineristing what he believes to be justice. As a reader I believe in this situation getting revenge is justified. However, in the process I believe he only cares about getting his revenge and not even himself. This may be the reason he does not eat very much. How can he endulge when these men have not payed for their crime?
Alex, im sure that CMC cares about other things than just getting revenge. For instance, in those times, honor was very important. If you failed to uphold your honor, you would be rejected by society. So, while he is very focused on getting revenge, it cant possibly be the only thing he cares about
Ding....is honor no longer important? Sad if it isn't.
I disagree with Nathan because the count of monte cristo only right now cares about his revenge and maybe a little bit Mercedes. But pretty much 99 percent of his energy is all going into this revenge. And Stuart, maybe Mister Brady said that it's not correct to call him insane but I think he's insane because of the choices he's been making and the lies he's been telling.
I don't think the Count is now insane or not as good as before. He was sent to jail because for something he didnt do and others were the cause of that. He is simple getting them back for what they did, and i dont believe that makes him crazy. I think whatever they get from the Count is well deserved.
Responding to Nathan: I believe that the Count of Monte Cristo has bought his honor. Anyone who does not know him would respect him because of his title and the amount of money he has and, therefore, the power he has. In addition, when he deals with the men who caused his imprisonment he is almost acting. He seems honorable and pleasent toward them but it is part of the new identity he has assumed. He can not allow them to realize he has a grudge against them and discover he is Dantes or his plan for revenge will not work. I believe that he is showing honor by rewarding the good and punishing the bad but honor is not his reason for doing this.
my opinion towards Dantes has remained the same for numerous reasons. 1) the men who caused Dantes' imprisonment deserved to be punished for what they did to him 2) They have gotten numerous things such as money and wealth because of his imprisonment. i also agree with Nathan in saying that the Count is looking for other things besides revenge such as a new start to his new life and thinking of how he could possibly win back Mercedes.
P.S.
Mr. Brady, if the world really does end tonight will you miss me?
i also agree with Alex in saying the Count has bought his honor because he always does something good to a specific person in order to befriend them to get to the person he's aiming for i.e. saving Madame Danglars to get to Baron Danglars. i also disagree with Sarah in saying he is only going towards his revenge because he has to have long-term goals set in order to get revenge on the people who accused him.
Well about what Ryan said about disagreeing with my arguement. Well if he is making all these long term plans he is revolving his life around this revenge.
I disagree with Sarah because the count is not insane for planning his revenge against everyone who destroyed the 14 years of his life. He is trying to get back at them evenly. Also, I agree with Alex that since Dantes is rich and powerful everyone wants to be friends with him whether they like him or not. Madame Danglars and Villefort are starting to realize that the Count may be up to no good, but by remaining friends with him they are allowing him to get his revenge.
"To reward and punish is the best thing in the world" (Dumas 213) I think the reason why the Count said this is because he has had so many hard struggles in his life like being placed in jail for fourteen years even though he didn't do anything. He was placed in jail because he was going to have his "story book ending". Dantes had the girl the job and he would be getting a lot of money but that was all taken away from four "friends." I would not want to get revenge like the Count does because I think there are better thing in life then holding a grudge and going crazy from it like he is.
I think there is anger involved in his revenge and that he is not serving justice. He has vengeance. He is coming at them with spite. If I were in his position I would be angry for a long while seeing how that wasted 14 years of his life, but I would probably have revenge on the people that hurt me. I just would not go through the excessive planning to get there. So basically, I would fight back just not so severely.
I think that Dantes has changed a lot... He was before very shy and in uncofident. Now that he is the Count of Monte Cristo he has changed much more. He is very cofident and is not afraid of ANYONE.
Justice is the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
Vengeance is an act or opportunity of inflicting such trouble: to take one's vengeance.
I think that the Count is demonstrating both of these traits because as the count he has to be righteousness and he is demonstraing vengeance because he wants to get revenge on his so called "friends."
The Count of Monte Cristo says on page 213 "...for the greatest, the most beautiful and the most sublime thing I know of in this world is to reward and punish." I believe this is so important to him because his main goal in life at the moment is to slowly ruin the lives of Villefort, Danglars and Caderouse. This is the technique that the Count is using. At first he is rewarding his "enemies". One example of this is when Edmond dresses up as Abbe Busoni and gives Caderouse the diamond worth 50,000 franks. He did this even though he knew that Caderouse was one of the conspirators trying to imprison him. By rewarding his enemies he is establishing trust between them, so that he can can destroy them when the time is right. He is also partially doing this with his friendship with Albert. I believe he is sort of friends with him, but he is mainly using Albert to get into the affairs of his family, because his father is Fernand and his mother is Mercedes. Overall, he thinks this is a great system and is using it to get revenge on those who have ruined his past.
Some people might say someone is insane if they don't want revenge on those who made the Count lose 14 years of his life. An "eye for an eye" may not always be the best decision, but it is hardly an insane reaction to a personal injustice.
Ryan....we are still here so I guess you'll never know.
I think that Dantes has changed a lot since the beinginning of the book. In the beginning of the book he seemed to be layed back, having a lot of what he wanted in life at the age of 19. Now at a later age he seems to be very confident in his life and trying to get revenge on everyone, also being the Count of Monte Cristo. ANother way that he has changed throughout the book is by having his different alias'.
Also in the class discussion I don't think that at the age of 19 he had everything he wanted at that time and he could stop. I think that although he had a lot then, he could have set higher goals for himself.
If I were The Count Of Monte Cristo, I would consider getting vengeance on those who have taken away 14 of my early adulthood years, important. I probably would take some of the same actions that the Count performs. In order to make sure they suffer, I think it is important to get inside their family so I could slowly rip their family relationships and bonds apart. Rewarding people is a way to gain trust with that person. So if I were the Count, I would follow his actions to access revenge, which would be important to me as well as it is to him.
My opinion of Caderouse has changed throughout the book. At the very beginning, Caderouse was just a drunk man who wasn't really a bad person, but he liked to do some mischievous things. Throughout the first half of the book, he slowly changes into an antagonist, because he condemns Dantes to jail, kills a jeweler just because of greed and performs other crimes. My view of him has changed from an OK character to an evil character who is one of the worst people mentioned in the book.
My opinion of Dantes has changed from the beginging because before he was a loyal personl. Now dantes is keeping this secret so he isnt being loyal to his old friends and wants revenge. Before he thought that his life, with little money a good job and a fiance, was enough but now he wouldnt want those and prefers revenge.
I agree with Mickey. I think that Dantes has changed a lot and has forgotten what is really important in life. Now, he only cares about revenge and money instead of being truly happy.
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