CMC Online Discussion #1


UPDATE: YES, I KNOW BLOGGER HAS DELETED A BUNCH OF COMMENTS. ON THE PLUS SIDE I HAVE THEM ALL IN MY SCHOOL EMAIL WHERE THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY SENT. ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE THEM TO COMMENT. NOT MUCH I CAN DO ABOUT IT. SORRY GUYS. JUST CONTINUE AS IS AND LETS HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

Same rules as the TKAMB discussions: comment around three or more times, interact with other comments, first names only. This is due Saturday night by 8. 

Discuss anyone or all of the following:


  • There is a description of Edmond Dantes on page 85 and how 14 years of captivity has changed him physically. Do you think he is more changed physically or mentally? Which would it be for you?

  • Luck, good and bad, seems to play a big role in the book. Do you think it was just luck that the pirates are going to the Isle of Monte Cristo to exchange stolen goods? Does it detract from the story?
  • p. 89.  Jacopo offers to stay with the injured Dantes which means that he will not earn his share from the sale of goods from the smuggler ship Jeaune -Amelie. Dantes says to Jacopo, “God will reward you for your good will.” What do you believe about good deeds being rewarded (sometimes called karma, sometimes expressed, ’What goes around, comes around’)

 

81 comments:

Ding said...

i think Dante has changed more mentally than physically. While yes, he's probably lost some weight, that doesnt affect him as much as the mental effects of being stuck in jail for 14 years

mitch said...

I believe he has changed mentally moe, going froma carefree young man, to being toughened by the hardships of solitude. I think i would change mentally, because i wouldn't talk to anyone or have anything to remember, or care about.

Jack Tz said...

I agree with both Ding and Mitch that Dantes has changed more mentally than physically. I think it would affect me in a similar way, except that I would go more mad than Dantes or Faria (which might actually be entertaining).

I think the pirates that just happened to show up at Monte Cristo does detract from the story. It is said in the novel that Monte Cristo is a small and abandoned island, which is why no one has found the treasure. I think this goes along with Dumas's making his characters either good or bad without gray areas, as they both show simplicity.

I don't believe good deeds are rewarded by any supernatural force, but I do believe that good deeds are rewarded by society as bad deeds are condemned by society. If I give a good deal of money to charity then people will regard me as good and trust me. If I kill someone, then I will be put in prison. Even if I do something legal like commit adultery, I will gain public contempt. Good and bad deeds are rewarded and condemned, respectively, by the goodness of people.

Caroline Gaddi said...

I think that through the 14 years of captivity, Dantes changed both physically and mentally. Although, as the others said, his appearance changed growing a beard, weight loss, and age lines all over his face, I do believe mentally he changed a lot too. "He was now thirty-three years old, as we have said, and his fourteen years of prison had greatly altered his face. he had entered the Chateau d'If with the round, smiling face of a happy young man who had made a good beginning in life and who counts on the future to unfold itself as a natural deduction from the past. All that was now changed. His oval face had lengthened; his smiling lips had taken on the firm lines of resolution; his eyebrows had become arched..." Blah blah blah it keeps going on telling what else has become of his appearance. Clearly, the years hadn't done well to his features. (Page 85) He went from being a care-free man with everything ahead of him, a fiance at 19 and was the soon-to-be ship captain, to becoming a wise man, imprisoned for what seems to be no reason. His knowledge definitely strengthened while the years passed learning new information from the "mad" priest locked up for many more years than Dantes. Being away from civilization for so long has probably made it so his memory fades a lot as well making another reason for him mentally changing.

Zack G. said...

I agree that Dante has changed a lot, but I think he has changed mentally more. He spent 14 years in a cell, but like in "The Bet," he uses his time to learn. He learns a lot from Faria. Not all of his mental changes are good though because he has no idea what year it is. He did also change physically, the quote that describes what he looks like says that nobody would recognize him. He is also surprised to see that after 14 years in prison, he is still strong and agile.

Tiger Boy said...

As in The Bet, I think he is more changed mentally. As Nathan said, he might of lost weight, but that has nowhere near the impact of being stuck in prison for 14 years. You learn to look at and value things differently. However, since he had Faria to talk to, and things to learn and do, he was not affected in the maniac-like way that the young man in The Bet was. He has spent almost half his life in prison - that has a huge affect, although I still think not as much because it did not quite feel like solitary captivity, isolated from the world, because of Faria. Since Faria had so much knowledge and tools that connected Dantès to the outside world, it was different.

Tiger Boy said...

I think the believability aspect was a little overboard - so much wealth, the landing on MC, the ship, everything. I don't want to give the later events away, but it seems the book does have some improbable facets.

Tiger Boy said...

In addition, I think that rewards are given for good deeds. Many feel a responsibility to repay debts like that in even greater amount. The religious aspect differs for everybody, but being nice an loyal gets you good friends and people you can depend on - something that will benefit you later on.

ChrisssssssssyF said...

I completely disagree with Tiger Boy. The wealth is believable. Its not unbelievable its more of the luck factor. Dante's luck is very high and some people do have good fortune. The landing on the island was believable because he had to wait about 6 months so he could get there.

Nathan D said...

I dont think Dantes is lucky at all. After stuck in a prison for 14 years, its about time that something good happened to him. He's now lost his dad and Mercedes, but has a horde of money... hes quite unfortunate

Zack G. said...

I agree with Nathan, there is not much he can use the treasure for. It may be able to help him take revenge on everyone, but it doesn't change the unlucky fourteen years of his life. Since everyone he loved is either gone or he just can't see them because he would get sent back to prison, he has nothing to do with the treasure. Even if his escape is forgotten and he settles down somewhere, he will not be with the people he loves.

Drew B said...

I think Dantes has changed mentally more than physically because he became smarter and wanted revenge on the people who put him in jail and before he was in jail he never wanted revenge on anyone. His physical changes were only minor and not as great of a change than his change mentally

Markus Atamian said...

I think Dantes change mentally just as much then he has physically. He looks 14 ears older and no one can reconize him not even himself. But being in with the priest hes learned math other languages and much more.
and has the need to seek revenge on the people who messed up his life.

Jack B said...

I agree that Dante changed mentally more than anything because of his jail time. His hair and face changed when he was in jail. But as they describe him he first always had smile on and was an optimistic guy, but now he is serious and looks at the world differently. I think that I would have had the same reactions. My body would have changed a little but I think that I would have a whole new outlook on life. And that I would have been able to get a feel for what life is actually about. I agree with Jack because I definitely would have gone with in weeks.

Jack B said...

I believe that it is not lucky that it happened just that it happened. Its not like something tragic happened to the ship and it made them have to go to shore. It just that that island had been deserted and they knew that no one would be on it to interrupt the deal. So its more of a coincidence that he got on a smuggling ship that did illegal deals.

Abby C. said...

I would disagree with Marcus about changing just as much physically as mentally. I think Dantes changed a lot more mentally than physically. His changed physical traits are much more discreet than his mental changes. He learned so much and now has a much different view on people because of his captivity.

Alex G said...

I believe Dantes has changed more physically than mentally. It is true that he learned a lot in prison but knowledge does not always make a person change who they are. He also wants revenge after he escapes. This is because he did not believe he was betrayed before his imprisonment and most people would want revenge for someone ruining their life. In addition, the imprisonment has not turned him bitter. He is as well liked by the crew of the Jeune-Amelie as the crew of the Pharaon which he sailed on before his imprisonment. He is still loyal and good to his friends. For instance, he buys Jacopo a ship and gives Caderousse a diamond.

However, nothing remains the same with his physical appearance. Neither he nor any of his aquaintances could recognize him after his escape. On pages 85 and 86 it says "His fourteen years in prison had greatly altered his face...he did not even recognize himself."

Tiger Boy said...

However, the Count has far more money than anybody according to Danglars, and Spada was one of the richest - not necessarily the richest. He spends like crazy, and is not even hurt. He always carries more than 2 million around at all times - doesn't that seem excessive?

Tiger Boy said...

I do agree with Nathan. Dantes is trying to get even by helping those who helped him and punishing the bad, but he truly can never get even for a lost love, a lost father, and many hurt people. Most especially, he can not get back half his life. Money doesn't mean happiness.

Jillian said...

I agree- money does not equal happiness.
Do you think that Dantès was not happy in jail? Sure, he was locked in a dark cell and he did lose out on a lot of his life, but at least he had Faria. Faria was (is?) a father figure to Dantès, “'You’re my son!’ cried the old man. ‘You’re the child of my captivity…the man who could not be a father and the prisoner who could not be free.’”(Dumas 72)
Dantès is glad, not necessarily as happy as he could have possibly been, though. He has a friend, a second father, and a teacher in one. He has someone to talk to, someone to care about him, and a greater education.
What do you think?

Mr. B said...

Jill- I would agree that Faria is a father figure and that he ended up having a measure of satisfaction in jail. However, I'm not sure I can go as far as to say he is happy.

Tiger Boy- if $ doesn't = happiness, revenge doesn't = happiness and he can't get back 1/2 his life....how can he be happy?

Nathan D said...

he cant be... true happiness is unattainable for him because of all the tragedy in his life. Unless he suddenly had amnesia, and forgot everything and found himself on the island with all the treasure

Jillian said...

Mr. Brady- He is not as happy as he could have been if he were not in jail, but he is still happy in the sense that he no longer wants to kill himself and sees that he is important to someone (Faria).

If Dantès had amnesia, he would not be happy because he would realize that something had happened and wonder what it was and if it was important. Sure, treasure is great, but realizing you have no memory of so many years of your life... scary, not really happy.

Nathan D said...

it depends on the person

Tiger Boy said...

Yes. Again I agree with Nathan. After losing so much, he can't get back what he lost, but he can satisfy his anger and use the resources he has to fulfill his wishes in that aspect, but relationships and people (such as Mércèdes and Dantès father) he can never truly get back. The tragedy will always be on his thoughts and command his spirits. His "happiness" will always be tainted, and his life will not be "pure".

Nathan D said...

whats a "pure" life?

Nathan D said...

or rather, what do you think of as a "pure" life

Tiger Boy said...

A life not tainted with regrets, tragedies, blood, etc. without something that hangs over like a cloud, which Dantès imprisonment does.

Tiger Boy said...

Why are all the comments deleted? I went from 9 comments to 2, and the total went from 28 to 11!!!!

Tiger Boy said...

*9 to 3

Tiger Boy said...

Anyway... Dantès lost half his life, Mércèdes, his father, and his livelihood, and the shadow of his imprisonment will always cloud his mind. What he has endured will shape his actions. It does, since his mission it seems is to help those who helped him during that time and punish the instigators. It will always be on his mind.

Nathan D said...

sooo...what is a "pure" life?

Tiger Boy said...

Oh...missed the header.

Dantès lost the prime years of his life, and all the happiness he had within reach, and no amount of money gets that back. However, it seems he is lucky, with Mércèdes, a captainship and loyal crew. Then, he is arrested and luck runs dry, then again, with Faria and the money, it seems to spring up again. Still, he will always be tainted, and after getting free, he devotes all his time and efforts towards acting on feelings of revenge and reward. Morever, it has changed his character, and his life will never be as "pure" as before.

Tiger Boy said...

oh...yeah. I would think of it as a life not clouded or tainted by an overwhelming tragedy or event, as Dantès' has.

Elizabeth C. said...

I agree with Ding and Mitch that Dantès has changed many ways mentally, but he somewhat looks different enough to wear disguises in front of people he's known for a long time before going to jail and having them not recognize him. He mentally changed because Faria has taught him many things, mostly good. The bad thing that Faria gave Dantès was the feeling of vengeance and wanting revenge.
I think good deeds are rewarded, not like magically, though. I don't believe that the past life will give you a better or worse life you're born into based on how you acted in that past life. I believe that some people that do good things for other people will be rewarded by that person. If someone wrongs someone, and that person knows they wronged them, they will be rewarded with an enemy. I feel like Fernand and Danglars have earned the enemy of Dantès and deserve it because they wronged him, just because they were jealous.

Jillian said...

Is not revenge just another negative to add to Dantès’ life?

Maybe the tragedy will always be on his thoughts, but he can still be happy. Reaching a happier state of mind is something capable of Dantès. If he were to think about what he truly wanted in life, and then reached his goal, it would make him happier.

Though if his goal is revenge, it will not make him happy. Maybe he will feel happy for a moment before he realized what he did. Revenge would just add more to his “dark cloud”.

So you are saying that Dantès’ life was “pure” before he went to jail?

Happiness is not only a state of mind; it is the action of upholding that state of mind over an amount of time. People can be happy about one thing and sad or angry at another at the same time. Going back to my previous quote (the comment was deleted)… When Dantès was in jail, he was happy to be with Faria, to have someone to talk to, but he was depressed about being in prison.

People can also be randomly happy. There are different forms of happiness.

Tiger Boy said...

Yes I am - he knew not of true evil, had no tragedy, and had much prospects, with all he could want. And I totally disagree with "randomly happy". Happiness is not random, but something truly wonderful that is gained through certain traits. Maybe chance allows you to be happy, but "random" is no the word I would use.

jack B said...

I think that since their is so much luck going on in the book them going to the isle of Monti Cristo isn't that amazing. after all the stuff happens to him thats just right that is just another step.

Caroline Gaddi said...

I believe that since Jacopo offered to stay with the "injured" Dantes, the good fortune will come back to him. Since Jacopo was such a good friend to him, the good deed came back as good karma sending Jacopo the little boat or whatever it was. Dantes sent him it in return for being such a good friend, offering to stay with him while hurt. I do believe that all good deeds are rewarded in some way. Especially in Jacopos position. If you do a good deed, the reward could be the feeling of knowing you did something good, or people could reward you with gifts or something else.

Tiger Boy said...

Well, it did, since Dantès rewarded him for his kindness. That is the kind of thing I was talking about earlier - being kind to someone will often result in kindness in return, and the what you gave will come back, as it did with Jacopo.

Jillian said...

I am not sure if Dantès has had no tragedy- what happened to his mother and the rest of his family?

Caroline- Which do you place higher- gifts back or the knowledge that you did something good? I say both are good, but it depends what kind thing you did. A gift does not need to be an object; it can be kindness in return.

Jack- What do you mean about going to the Isle of Monte Cristo not being “amazing”? Are you talking about when the smugglers went there and Dantès ‘just happened’ to get hurt and find the treasure? If so, I find it very interesting that the author puts that they get to go to the Isle of Monte Cristo. “The captain of the Jeune-Amélie suggested that the Isle of Monte Cristo… would be a good place to unload the cargo,” (Dumas 87). Quite a coincidence…

Tiger Boy said...

That is unknown, and the death of a mother happens in most people's lives - tragic but to be expected, and not so shocking as an unexpected imprisonment for so long, grabbed from the happiest moments of his life.

Nikki said...

I think he has changed more mentally. He went from being a young man with the mind that thought of the good and not the bad. He didnt even realize that Danglars and Fernand couldve been responsible. But, after his captivity he learns they are and begins to see the bad in people. He also becomes a lot more mature and wants revenge which he never would have wanted before.
I think I would change more mentally because the lonliness would drive me crazy and not being able to talk to people would make me go insane. Although people would change physically, all people do in captivity or not

French said...

I agree with you, Nikki. He was definatly changed more mentally than physically. Everyone gets older and gets wrinkles, but not everyone's mind changes completly. When he is in jail is trying to escape and he thinks of things that he would not have thought about out of jail. Being alone in a jail cell can do a lot to a person. I think that I would go insane if there was no one to talk to. Many people can change differently, someone could go insane, see the best in others, see the worst in others, want to seek revenge, want to escape, or something else.

Nikki said...

I think all good deeds deserve to be rewarded. People should naturally want to stay and help the injured, but greed plays too high a role in human nature. The fact that Jacopo offers to stay wiuth him shows a lot about his character. I believe that people do get punished or rewarded depending on their actions. I think it does happen and will happen to Jacopo.

Mike A said...

I think he has changed equally in both mentally and physically. His physical appearance has changed completely. He does not even recognize himself. Mentally he has learned a lot more and he has different views on people. He also got more determined because he had so much more things he had to do after he escaped and those events brought more. It also seems like he has gotten even more better at the social part because everyone he meets just automatically like him.

French said...

I think that good deeds should be rewarded, but you shouldn't do something just to be rewarded. Like, when you volunteer somewhere it's like your doing it for the animals or people and you are not expecting anything in return. I think that if you are a helping, nice person that you should be respected more and have other be nicer to you. In some cases people get rewarded or punished for their actions. Like children when they do something wrong they get punished with a time out, but if they do something good they get rewarded with something that they want or like. Many people are poor and starving, they have horrible lives, but they did not do anything wrong to have ot get that type of life. Robbers are rich, but since they commited a crime they should not be rich, like it all depends on the situation I feel like.

Nikki said...

Kasey,
I agree with you. It's like with Caderousse. I think he only told Dantes the info he knew because he wanted the diamond. Without the diamond he wouldve listened to his wife and not said anything to the preist. Good people should be rewarded with respect, but also they should be able to get more responsibilities.When Jacopo offered to stay with nothing in return that proves he cares about Dantes and in Dantes eyes that should make him want to do more for him and trust him with more. Robbers are rich, but I feel like in the end they probably get punished in some way. Whether it be bby living with guilt or loosing a marriage over greed, bad people tend to get back karma in the end.

French said...

I agree Caderousse only told Dantes information because he wanted the diamond because his family was poor. I think that Dantes just wanted everyone to leave him alone, so he could find the rteasue. Sometimes the robbers get punished, but I don't think that karma always comes back in the end because plently of people who are starving and poor could have done nothing wrong, but terrible things are happening to them and those things normally do not get fixed...

Nikki said...

I know, its really sad how poor people are starving and how they never did anything wrong. That brings up luck. I dont know if i believe in luck or not. I think I do, but at the same time i dont. Some people get lucky by things and some are unlucky. Like, for example, its bad like that my phone always runs away from me. But the poor people dont do anything in order to get the bad "luck" they have

French said...

Yes nikki, I saw your phone jump out of your bag last night and run down the stairs and outside(: ...Sometimes I feel like people are "lucky", but sometimes it's like hard to know for a fact. I'm not exactly sure if I believe in luck, but sometimes there are just a bunch of good things that are happening. Dantes was really lucky, well until he got thrown in jail...Yah, I do not understand why poor people are starving, like I understand, but it's not fair. They have to literally work their through blood and sweat to provide a little bit of food for their family. It's just not fair. I think that karma is different than luck, I feel like karma is because of something that you did and luck just randomly happens.

nikki said...

I agree that karma and luck mean different things, but how can you tell the difference?? Like you might think youre lucky if something good happens, but how do you know its not karma frkom something you did before?

French said...

Liking how you responded to my story about your phone...awkwarddddd(:...I do not know how you can really tell the difference, maybe things just happen for a reason and sometimes it's made for our advantage and somethimes it's not.

nikki said...

Well we all know my phone hates me. But how do we know if its bad luck or if its karma?? Do you believe in fate? I dont know if I do...I think I do at times, but also dont at times

French said...

Oh yah I know it doess. We don't really know, it's not like something happens and you automatically know. Things just happen in life and sometimes we think things are completly unfair and sometimes we think that sometime great is going on. I agree, sometimes I believe in fate. It's just that it's in a lot of movies and books, but it's hard to know if it truly happens in real life.

Nikki said...

I agree...People say fate is sealed ahead of time and you cant change it. If that;s true then karma couldnt exist because you cant do anything to change what happens, its just luck. So, that would mean either Dantes goes from being lucky to unlucky to being lucky again. In that case his fate was already chosen and no matter what he did the events happening now would still be happening. Or, it couldve been karma. What do you think?

French said...

I feel like everything was already planned out, so in this case I think it's fate. He did not do anything wrong to have gotten thrown in jail so I do not think it is karma.

Gaines said...

When Dantes looks in the mirror for the first time in 14 years I think he is surprised. Dantes describes himself as having a altered face from being in prison. Another, description is that he now has a oval face and instead of smiling lips they have taken on firm lines and wrinkles are all over his face. I think that he has changed more mentally then physically. I think this because he went to the chateau d'If when he was only 19. At that age Dantes didn't realize the hatred of the four other men that were jealous of him. He thought that everything was okay and that he was going to have a happily ever after by marrying Mercedes and becoming the captain. While in the Chateau d'If he became more mature and realized that he was charged with a crime he didn't do. I also think he changed mentally because of Abbe Faria. Faria showed Dantes a different perspective of people and how they are not always who they say they are.

Jack Tz said...

I don't believe in fate. I believe in freewill because I don't think we have a choice (clever, no?) I also think that if we were to find out that fate does exist, people would become unmotivated to do anything because they're not in control of their own destiny. I'm not saying that fate doesn't exist, I'm saying that everything in the world can be explained without the assumption of fate.

Gaines said...

I agree with kasey who is saying that Dantes did nothing bad. Therefore, he didn't do anything so it is not karma. I think this story has luck. An example would be the section of the book when Dantes escaped from prison. I think it was fate that brought Dantes to prison and it was luck that got him out. Responding to Nikki's question I think that no matter what he did he would've gone to the Chateau d'If it was fate that brought him there. Throughout the story Dantes has gone from luck to unlucky numerous times. At them moment he is lucky because he escaped from jail and found the Spada families treasure. If I could predict anything I would say something in the upcoming chapters will make Dantes unlucky.

Chenny said...

I agree with Dingy that he so far has changed mentally than physically. Dante might have lost weight, but I think he is getting mature about giving the treasure to Caderousse.

Alex G said...

I do not believe it was fate that caused Dantes' imprisonment. It was caused by four men. All of them had the ability to realize it was wrong and try to stop it as well. However, other things in the book suggest fate is real. Examples include the smugglers going to Monte Cristo and The Count of Monte Cristo meeting Albert who will lead The Count to his father, Fernand.

Victoria R said...

I think that Dantes has changed more physically than mentally because he had hope when he entered the jail and he lost a little bit on his hope when he was sure he was going to spend the rest of his life there. After he met Faria though, a lot of things changed he was cofident and gained back his hope for escaping. So I think that mentally he changed only a tad bit. Physically I think he changed much more because when he saw himself in the mirror after being in jail for 14 years he couldnt even recognize himself. He was extremley surprised.

Dan W said...

I agree with Alex. There was no "higher power" that caused Dantes to go to jail, just some angry guys that had a little too much wine. There are times in the story where things seem very coincidental however, but sometimes those coincidences can help make the story more interesting.

Alex G said...

I do not believe luck detracts from the story. If Dantes had not experienced good luck or bad luck, the story would not be the same. For instance, if Dantes had not experienced bad luck he wouldn't have been aquainted with the people responsible for his imprisonment. However, if he had not experienced good luck he would not have had Faria in the cell next to his and he probably would not have escaped. Dantes also wouldn't have found the treasure that enables him to take his revenge.

Mickey said...

I dissagree with Victoria, because I think he changed more mentally. I think this because ya he didnt seee his reflection for fourteen years, but everyone will get older and look different. Physically he did change a lot, but he was more mentally changed because of his experiences in jail. He went in acting as if he had everything and took it for granted, and he came out realizing the important things. He realized that he didnt have true friends when he was there because he grew mentally.

French said...

Like Mickey, I also disagree with Victoria. Everyone changes physically no matter where they are. If you did not see your apperance for fourteen years, you wouldnt recognize yourself either. But since he was in jail for fourteen years he changed more mentally. He had so much before going to jail, but then he realized the important things in life. He decided that he was going to help his true friends and those who were more misfotunate than him. He also wanted to seek revenge on those he put him in jail, before going in jail he thought that he had no enemies.

MiCkEy said...

I agreee with FRENCHALOO because he thought that everyone was his friend but faria taught him that theyput him in Jail.
I also think that i would change more mentally in fourteen years because when people age they completely channge who they are and i kno0w that ten years ago i didnt have the personality i do now so i dont think i would always be the way i am now.

Fitchhhh said...

I think that Dante changed more mentally than physically, although both have happened. I think that his way of looking at things have changed a lot while in prison, looking at what the important things are in life and what things can do to you.

Dan W said...

I agree with Fitchhhh, that he change more mentally. Obviously, when you have been in prison for 14 years, you are going to look different, but it changes your entire psyche. Dantes was a very happy and forgiving person before he went to jail, but afterwards, he became more mysterious, and clearly vengeful.

Fitchhhh said...

I also agree with Caroline, and how she said that since Jacopo offered to stay with Dantes he was returned with the good fortune of the small boat that Dantes gave him. I think that Dantes gave it to him for being there for him, and being the only one to offer to stay there as being a good friend.

B-Dawg said...

I think it was luck because they happened to goto the place he needed to go in order to get his treasure. I dont think it detracts from the story because without this luck he wouldnt have the diamond for cadarousse.

Mickey said...

I dont agree with B-Dawg that it was luck because he metioned the island in the first place. This made it so he had the idea of it. It did detract from the story because if he had to find his own way to get there it would have been more interesting.

b-Dawg said...

BUt if They didnt take his offer than he may not have gotten on the island. So it didnt detract from him getting there.

Dan W said...

I do not think good deeds are always rewarded. Just because you are a good person doesn't mean good things will happen to you. The only reward that almost always comes out of doing a good deed is feeling good about yourself, and the fact that you managed to help. For some, that is enough motivation to do good things on a daily basis.

Fitchhhh said...

Victoria- i disagree with your, i think that he has changed more mentally than physically. Yes he has changed a lot physically, but his whole mind has changed on how he now looks at things. I beleive that he is now more thankful for what he has, no matter what has happened.

Tiger Boy said...

Yes Dan, but being nice to someone often gains kindness in return, which often pays back what you give. Still, kindness without recognition doesn't always give back (unless you start getting religious).

Victoria R said...

Taylor- Was Dantes ever not thankful?i dont think so. In the whole book he was always thankful. It never said he was more thankful at some point.

Mia P said...

I think Dantes has changed more mentally. Although his captivity changed his appearance, he is very different than before. Before he was happy and looking forward to a long life ahead of him, he was successful and had his true love and everyone (pretty much) liked him, and if not it was because they were jealous. He was very optimistic and excited. But afterwards he is already in his 30's so he was imprisoned for all of his 20's, and his success and good life has passed him by, he is more pessimistic and sad. Also, I believe in general most people would change more mentally. The experience of being in jail seems like it would take a large toll on anyone, really. How Dumas described it in The Count of Monte Cristo jail is very, very different from normal life, and very dreary. After being kept in captivity like an animal in the zoo, you really would have changed views, mindset, mood, and bassically everything inside.

Adam K. said...

I agree with Mia and think Dantes has changed more mentally. He has become paler and aged a little, but now he is much less ignorant about the world around him (Somewhere in the beginning, it says he had been ignorant about the people that were jealous of him). His ignorance eventually led to his imprisonment. I Second, he has lost all he ever had. He lost his fiance, his father, and the Pharaon. These things would seem to make him depressed, but instead he leaves it all behind him and tries to recuperate. Obviously, he still misses everything he had dearly, but he tries to start fresh.

katetravis said...

i agree with victoria that dantes has changed alot but i also think he changed for a good reason to get his revenge back and to show the people who did hi wrong that they wont get away with stabbing him in the back that because they all are now rich that he is going to get him back because he is also rich and he is going to get them back from the life they made him loose