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In the beginning, the children are petrified of the Radleys. When the book opens, it says,"Inside the house lived a malevolent phantom." but as the book develops, they grow more and more curious and bold, touching the door, leaning over to place a note, and, finally, venturing on the property by themselves. The first piece of gum Jem treated with horror, but the most recent pack was chewed with enjoyment and without question.
In the first 100 pages the point of view is from a very little girls point of view. Everything that is described is seen from a young viewpoint. Soon the book takes a turn and she is a little bit older. Scout describes everything in a mature point of view.
Another change in the story is Scout's view on Miss Caroline. In the beginning she doesn't respect her but farther in the story she gains respect. Scout doesn't like school but understands Miss Caroline's point of view of things.
I agree with Evan, the children definitely change their minds about the Radleys. In the beginning they were scared to go near the property, but towards the end of the first 100 pages they become more brave. They even go on the property at night. I think that the kids have realized all the stories about "Boo" may be exaggerated.
i noticed that jems attiute is more girly than scouts is and that scout is trying to help and find out whats wrong with jem but he wont tell her anything and is trying tto make scout look more girly than him and plus is trying to make everyone think that him dill and scout are not the resson for why the weither changed
I noticed that there was a fire in Ms. Maudies house over the 100 pages. There were many people crowded to the fire.
I agree with Evan and Zack. Scout and Jem in the beginning of the book were terrified of the Radley's because of the stories they heard about. Though as the book goes on they notice that half of those stories they hear are not entirely true. This is how Jem and Scout become brave and little by little they get closer and closer to the Radley's house. Like Evan said Jem at first found it very suspicious that they found gum in a tree, but now Scout and Jem take gum from that tree every day. They didnt even care about who or why someone would put their belongings in there.
Towards the beginning of the book, all of the children have a vague, often wrong understanding of the big wide world around them. The key example of this being, of course, Boo Radley. From the stories that the children had heard, he was a savage creature from their worst nightmares. But as they ask more reliable sources, and even have some first hand experiences, they discover that he is an actual human being.
I agree with evan. The kids started out afraid of everything to do wiith te radleys. they then became less and less afraid, until now they are not at all afriad, just curuious
Dill changed from one summer to the next. He started out immature and wimpy but, changed to become more like Jem the second summer. As Jem and Dill became closer, Scout started to be pushed out by them. Also they thought she was starting to act more and more like a girl everyday.
As the book goes on, I think Scout begins to develop her own ideas. In the beginning, she follows Dill and Jem around, doing what they did. However, as the book goes on, she starts to worry about Jem's actions especially. A small example is when Jem lost his pants while in Boo's yard. On page 75 she says, "I'm gonna wake him up Jem, I swear I am-" At this moment she is not only trying to protect him, but she's doing the right thing. She knows he could get hurt, and just wants to save him from getting hurt. Therefore, she is not following Jem and is doing what is right.
Scout changes through out the book. Starting out as what seems to be more of a tom boy becomes more and more of a young lady. Even Dill thinks so. "I declare to the Lord that you're getting more like a girl every day!"Page 69 Para. 4. I guess that Scout is becoming more girly, but she is making better choices most of the time. For when the boys would ask her to do something, she would speak her mind if she disagreed with the idea. You could say that she is maturing, Scout is growing up. Dill also changed from nicer at the beggining, to mean and neglective towards Scout, then in the end he respects her. "He evidently remembered he was engaged to me, for he ran back out and kissed me swiftly in front of Jem" Page 74. Para. 3. In this quote Dill is not yelling at Scout to go away or to go do something, he kissed her. Im guessing he treated her that way all along because he did not want her to know he liked her. Seeing thats what little kids do. These changes to me were pretty important, but mostly with Scout. I think she will really become quite the mature lady.
Mitch and Evan-
Are you guys saying Scout isn't at all afraid of Boo? I would disagree there. I think he continuing fear and Jem's growing need for real communication with Boo is one of the biggest examples of how the two siblings are growing apart. Jem is becoming "adult" while Scout remains a child. This comes into play in a big way in the second half of the book in regards to their opinions on Atticus' case.
I agree with Dan Willis because after hearing what Miss Stephanie Crawford told the neighborhood about the Radley household everyone assumed it was true. Now Scout and Jem's point of view have changed they believe that Authur Radley is alive and nice.
Scout and Jem think Authur is nice because of the treats he left them in the oak tree.
I feel like scout now feels like boo isnt something to be afraid of. If she was afriad of him then she would have been more afriad during the fire, and have been more afriad when the pants were mended. Jem and Scout no longer fear boo, just respect and are curious about him
Plenty of things have changed throughout the book. The fire is something that changed their world a little because now their neighbor is homeless. Their thoughts on Boo might have changed a little because during the fire he came outside and put the blanket on scout. That shows that he is trying to be nice and helpful and he should not be a feared creature What i find interesting is how much Jem cared about the tree being filled with cement. On page 84 it says, "When we went into the house i saw he had been crying; his face was dirty in the right places..." I think that scout doesnt understand what Jems real fascination about Boo is. Jem wants to meet and become friends with Boo and when the tree is plugged up it closes a chance he might have had.
I think that both scout and Jem arent as a afraid of boo radley, but still find him slightly frightening. I think this because they did go up to his house and put somethimg in the window, but they still seem to not be completely comfortable thinking that hes a good man even though he used to not be.
I agree with Ian that Jem wants to become friends with Boo and doesnt want anything to get in the way of that. I think this because he is extremely determined to get him outside and speak with him.
I think Jem has been trying to change and be a
"gentlemen" because that is what Atticus has asked of him. Atticus also asked Scout to change and not let what people say get her mad. They have both been trying to stay calm now when somebody insults their family and them. Page 101 Atticus: "You might hear some ugly talk about it at school, but do one thing for me if you will: you just hold your head high and keep those fists down."
I disagree with evan because after Atticus asks them were they got the blankets and they talk about it, Jem and scout don't say anything and don't seem to care about it. They seem even more freaked out and scared of him. "My stomach turned to water and I nearly threw up when Jem held out the blanket and crept toward me. 'He sneaked out of the house-turn 'round-sneaked up, an' went like this!'" Page 72
I somewhat disagree with Michael. Yes when Atticus tells Scout that the Boo radley put the blanket on her she was scared. However most of the fear is that he could sneek up on her and she would not even realize. If you imagine yourself as Scout, a six year old girl, it might be a little scary if a creepy neighbor you have never seen sneaks up on you and puts a blanket on you without making any noise. Jem does not care that much because he realizes his chance of meeting Boo increases if he has come outside before.
One thing that Jem's feelings changed about in the first 100 pages was the things that they found in the knot-hole in the tree. At first he felt uneasy about Scout getting stuff from the hole, thinking it was someone's hiding place, and unsafe. On page 45 it says, "Jem stamped his foot. "Don't you know you're not supposed to even touch the trees over there? You'll get killed if you do!" But as the story continued, Jem began to come with Scout to the knot-hole and grab the things with him as he felt more comfortable, like someone was giving things to them. For example on page 80 they find the bar of soap in a tree with carved faces in the soap and Jem says," These are us." Then, both Jem and Scout felt devastated when Mr.Nathan patched up the knot-hole, because he says "Tree's dying. You plug 'em with cement when they're sick...", on page 83.
Going off on what Abby C. said, Jem has been trying to become more like a man to please his father. It seems as though in the beginning of the book, Jem was trying to get his approval from Dill. But now, Jem is looking for approval from Atticus. When he does something wrong, he doesn't want Atticus to be mad at him and tries to solve the problem. For example, on page 75 Jem says, "I- it's like this, scout... Atticus ain't ever whipped me since i can remember. I wanta keep it that away." Jem really cares about what his father thinks of him, and his approval is very important to him.
I think Jem and Scout's view towards Nathan has changed. Before it seemed that he was just the good older brother who moved in to help, but I don't think helping the family is as important to him as making himself look good. He isn't trying to help Boo but instead controlling his life and he is not letting the town give Boo a second chance. Nathan does this by keeping Boo locked up inside the house and also by filling in the tree hole which was his main connection to the outside world, mostly the kids. For some reason Nathan wants people to think of him as the good kids and Boo just the crazy one with a problem.
I think that both Jem and Scout are changing since the beginning of the book because Atticus told scout to stop fighting even if people say the meanest things to her or her family. Jem is also changing because of his father like Carly said. He wants to impress him by showing him that he is a matture "adult" now. Overall, they both are changing in the book for their father.
As the book develops, it seems he children become much more defensive of their father. In the beginning-middle, they dont think heir father is ideal, saying he is boring and doesn't do anything, but recently, they have become very defensive, with Scout fighting hard and Jem attacking Mrs. Dubose's property because they assaulted the children's pride of their father.
I think the dog killing event was a turning point in this (above) aspect, because before, the children complained about how boring their father was, but afterwards, they were all excited, bragging about "One Shot Finch".
I would agree with Evan because at school every kid was explaining how cool their dad's job was and how much they did. Scout thought Atticus was extremely boring because he didn't seem to have any talents and wouldn't even play in the football game that every dad was playing in. After he shot the dog Scout and Jem realize that there is more to Atticus than they know. Page 130 (Scout) "When we went home I told Jem we'd really have something to talk about at school on Monday."
Going off of what other people have said, I think that Scout developes as a character. It is easy to see in the first few chapters. In the beginning of the book, (Ch. 1) it seems as if Scout were just following the boys around. In chapters 2-3, Scout is seen as an observer to other character’s actions, along with influencing them. For example, on pg. 30, Scout is ‘beating up’ Walter. This shows that she has a rough side. I think she is ‘beating up’ Walter not only to show her anger against him, but to also take it out on another person. At the end of chapter 4, on pg. 54, Scout shows that she has her own values and acts on them. At this point, Jem, Dill, and Scout were playing the Radley Game-. As stated by Scout-“Atticus’s arrival was the second reason I wanted to quit the game.”-and she stops playing the game with the others. What do you think?
Jill, I agree with you. In the beginning, Scout was sort a follower to the boys for the most part. It isn't until chapter four, where we really start to see the tom boy side of Scout. This is a real breakthrough for her character, because from now on, she's torn on if she wants to be a tom boy, or a proper lady. All the adults are telling her to act more proper, while Dill and Jem are trying to keep her just the way she is. Also, I think that Dill hasn't really shown who he is so far. I feel like there was some hidden forshadowing, and that something really story changing is going to happen to Dill ( I'm only on page 100 right now)
Johnny I agree with Johnny. We don't really know a whole lot about Dill. Harper Lee hasn't given us that much factual information on his life back at home. I think that is for a reason that we will read about later on in the book.
Jonny, I semi-agree with you. I agree with your statement about Scout, but I question what you mean by Jem and Dill wanting her to remain as she is (a tomboy-not a lady).
In Chapter 5, on pg.61, Jem and Dill try to not involve Scout in their plans. “Next morning when I awakened I found Jem and Dill in the back yard deep in conversation. When I joined them, as usual they said to go away.” Sometimes it seems as if they want Scout to leave and be a lady, and then other times, as you said, they want her to be who she is.
I agree with Chrissy on how we do not know much about Dill. I think it is especially visible when he keeps lying about his father. For example, that he has a beard/no beard-like we talked about in class. Also, as Mr. Brady said in class, how Dill’s lying may mean that there are family issues going on in his family. What do you think?
To Jill, I think t hat this is another sign of them growing up, that before, they saw her as "one of the boys" but now she has become more of a lady, so they shouldn't do things like swim with her. And i think that dills family is messed up, because if it wasn't, why does he want to spend all summer every summer with his aunt?
I think that in the first 100 pages Scout has changed the most. I agree with everyone else who is saying that we do not know enough about Dill to decidde if he has changed yet. Th e reason I think Scout has changed is she is becoming more brave then she already was. For example in chapter 3 Scout is tring to tell the teacher about Walter but she is not listening to what Scout has to say about the situation so it leads her to be placed in the corner.I think this shows bravery becasue she was the one who stood up and told the teacher why walter wasnt going to take the money when no one else in the class wanted to do it. Before Scout had done this she was just following Jem and Dill around.
I agree with Jonny. I also agree with Chrissy because we have not heard a lot of info about Dill and so we are still thinking about what his character will do and what impact he will bring further on in the book. Expanding upon about what Jonny is saying, is that they're getting older and so scout has to choose between being ladylike or staying how she is. The whole tomboy thing is making a lot more things difficult like being around adults because they all think she should be more ladylike and dress better so it makes her feel bad because they sometimes bring that up.
I sort of agree with Evan. The kids are scared of the Radley house in the beginning, but as the book moves on, they get less scared and more curious about it. They may not even realize it, but they are becoming more and more comfortable with the Radleys.
I also agree with Dan W. I think the kids are unaware that the Radleys are just a fairly normal family. There are some strange things that go on when they are around, and they may live in a "haunted" house, but they are, for the most part, a regular 1930s family. Nathan Radley is actually a helpful person (except for filling the tree with concrete), and he helped Miss Maudie during the big fire, throwing down furniture. If I remember correctly, Jem also told Scout that Mr. Radley had tried to mend his pants after they got stuck in his fence.
Mitch, I agree with what you said about Scout and Dill. Dill does have an odd family. Why does he not just stay with his aunt during the year?
Adam, what do you mean by the Radleys being “a regular 1930s family”? I do not see them as ‘normal’.
Going back to the Cunninghams and the Ewells for reference, it seems as if the families can be put into an order. The Ewells are frowned upon and stayed away from. The Radleys are avoided, but still alright to talk to. The Cunninghams are more accepted. I do not want to mention the Ewell/Cunningham similarities/differences, but all of these families are connected. As with the Ewells, the Radleys are avoided. As Adam said, Nathan Radley helps other people. This can relate to how Walter Cunningham’s father helped Atticus by paying him back (around pg. 27). I am not saying that Mr. Radley shows the same helpfulness as Walter Cunningham’s father, but they are similar. What do you think?
I agree with Chrissy and Jonny, and how they said that there has to be some reason for Harper Lee not to have introduced Dill more. I feel that something important in the story is going to happen to Dill. Although in the first 100 pages there seems to be no foreshadowing as to what will happen to Dill, as Jonny said before.
I have noticed that Jem matures in the book. At the beginning of the book, he does not seem to have a lot of responsibilities. As the book goes on, Jem is given more more responsibilities and increased trust. For instance, his uncle gives him a BB gun. Jem also loses some interest in playing with Scout as he matures.
Mr. B - I am not saying that Scout is not at all afraid of the Radleys, but that they have become used to living with them, and are willing to put up with the Radleys to prove themselves and their bravery.
Mr. B - Scout wants to remain close to Jem, and, superficially pretends to be less afraid, maybe even fooling herself, but deep down, I do agree - Scout is still afraid, and this is shown in the way she continues to run, not walk, past the house. However, I think a key point is she only does that when she is alone, not with Jem or Dill, and that ties into what I mean.
Jillian, I think that all of the families are connected but not at the same time. For example, the Ewells are not excepted because it is a fact that they are poor and nasty people, but the Radleys are not really accepted because of rumors that have been exagerated Out of all three families, I think the Cunnighams are the most normal, because they try to fit into society.
I agree with chrissy amd jonny with that we do not know alot about Dill. We do not know if his character will change because al we know about him is that he lives with his aunt during the summer and then goes back when the school year comes around. Does Dill live with his mother or does he live with another extended family member. We know he doesnt live with his dad becasue we basically know that his dad ran out on him. But i also have the same question that Jillian has why doesnt Dill live with his aunt all throughout the year?
I think that Dill doesn't live with his aunt all year round because it would probably raise some suspisions. Alos, there would probably be gossip going around about why Dill is staying there.
I think that the kids in this book go through many changes in TKAMB. Scout changes her behavior relating to school after she has a bad first day. She was planning of not going to school at all after her bad experience, but Atticus talks her out of it. She talks to Atticus on page 41, and he says "If you'll concede the necessity of going to school, we'll go on reading every night just as we always have. Is it a bargain?". This changes Scout's behavior towards school.
Abbie, Dill doesn't live with his aunt all year round because, despite the fact Dill has many "fake" perspectives of his dad, he still needs time to see him. Although if he lived there all year round it WOULD raise suspicion from the gossiping women, I don't think the main reason Dill doesn't stay all year is the fact that it would cause rumors and gossip.
ANYWAYS, a change I noticed that was pretty major for me was although she hasn't FULLY come out of her tomboy ways, Scout is slowly transforming into a lady. In the beginning, she wanted to fit in with the boys and be able to play the games they played. Scout still does want to, but opportunities to fight came her way and she declined them thinking of the outcome it had and who it affected such as Atticus. In chapter 9 on page 102, paragraphs 4-5, Scout explains her views on passing the offer to fight Cecil. She is changing little by little for the better each day and declines the fight for Atticus, who asked if she'd just decline a fight for him. Even though another fight erupted with her cousin, a soft side was shown about Scout when she cried after fighting her cousin but losing in the parents eyes'. She was accused of so much more and parents sided with Francis. Scout, however, cried to Uncle Jack calling the fight and the whole parents siding with Francis unfair. (Page 113) So overall, the biggest change I've seen is Scout's who is transforming into a little lady slowly, but surely.
i would also agree with Sarah in saying that Scout has changed throughout the first 150 pages. Everytime she keeps acting more like a lady, Jem always reminds her that she's not supposed to be one, even though Atticus knows she eventually will later in her life. Dill even thinks that too, at one point.
i also think Evan comments too much
Gaddi, I personally do not think that Scout is becoming a lady. In the fight against Cecil that you mentioned in chapter 9 on page 102, she did not walk away from the fight completely on her own decisions, because Atticus told her not to fight anymore. On page 101, he said "No matter what anybody says to you, don't let 'em get your goat. Try fighting with your head for a change...". She was just basically heeding his advice by turning away from the fight. Also, in the fight between Scout and Aunt Alexandra's son Francis, Scout starts crying because of the comment. that Francis made about her father. Just because she was crying does not mean that she was becoming more lady-like. Overall, I think that Scout is still a tomboy and is not changing into a lady anytime soon. Furthermore, Scout still appears to do the same boyish activities with her brother and Dill throughout the entirety of the first 100 pages.
I also think that jem has changed in the first 100 pages. I think Jem has become very interested in Boo Radley. In chapter 4 they start playing the Boo Radley game. After that chapter the author mentions diffrent times when Boo is brought up and Jem is always apart of it. Jem had become facinated with question like why does Boo stay in his house and why he doesnt come out? I think by the end of the book Jem will mee Boo in one way or another.
I agree with Grant. Scout is definitely not becoming a lady. She is simply following Atticus's wishes. On page 101 Atticus says to Scout: "....but do one thing for me if you will: you just hold your head high and keep those fists down." He is asking her not to fight with anyone anymore, and she doesn't do it because he asked her, not because she is changing. Scout is still very much a tomboy, she refuses to wear dresses and act lady-like, she doesn't mind being different than other girls, and she won't change for anyone.
that's true, Mia, but that doesn't mean she wont become one when she's older will it?
One last change that I saw in Scout was how she began to have more respect for African Americans in the book. For example, in the beginning of the book, Scout pretty much hates Calpurnia. This is because Cal was always telling her what to do and criticizing her. On page 7, it says "She was always ordering me out of the kitchen, asking me why I couldn't behave as well as Jem when she knew he was older and calling me home when I wasn't ready to come. Our battles were epic and one-sided. Calpurnia always won...". She did not like her for all of these reasons. Throughout the book, Cal becomes nicer to Scout and on page 158, she takes Scout and Jem to her church. This is when Scout realizes that the African Americans are less fortunate than her and she begins to sympathize for them. Also, Scout is realizing that there is a lot of prejudice against blacks in Maycomb and she asks Atticus about it. On page 100, she said "Do all lawyers defend n-Negroes, Atticus?" She begins to understand that she lives in a biased world. One last way that she changes is that instead of calling African Americans "the N-word", like she did in the beginning, she calls them "Negroes" instead.
I agree with everyone who said Scout has changed by becoming more independent but I also think that she has begun to change another way. She is able to better restrain herself. Toward the beginning of the book on page 30, Scout beats up Walter for getting her in trouble even though he did not mean to do so. Later, when Atticus takes the case of defending an African American her peers start to insult Atticus but she does not fight them. Even though she is not fighting because Atticus said so it must be very hard to just take the insults. When she can not restrain herself any more she roughs up her cousin Francis. However, unlike Scout beating up Walter this was justified. Francis insults Atticus several times in a row by calling him "a ni-er lover" and saying "He's ruinin' the family" on page 110.
Many people are saying that they think Scout is becoming more of a "lady" and some disagree. I disagree. Just because she is not fighting people at school does not mean she is becoming a "lady", she is just obeying what her father said. Scout is not acting like a lady and she gets defensive when Dill and Jem tell her she is acting like a lady. She does not want to be a lady despite the fact that her father does.
I agree with Alex that Scout has changed. One thing to keep in mind is how young she is. The world opens up when she starts school. I disagree with grant because scout has always felt the same for African Americans. Again, she is so young.
I believe both Scout and Jem are becoming more mature. As they mature, the story begins to get more serious. For instance at the beginning of the story Arthur Radley is described as the Boogey Man. Over time, they get over their imaginative and preconceived ideas of Aurthur by listening to more reliable and realistic accounts of Arthur. Shortly after, more realistic and serious issues start to emerge. These issues include, Miss Maudie's house burning down on page 92, Atticus taking the case on page 99, and the racism toward African Americans. The story is able to progress better as Scout and Jem become more mature.
I agree with Alex. As the children mature, so does the mood of the book. Problems start to involve things outside of their neighborhood, and they begin to understand new things about the people that live there.
I agree somewhat with Dan and Alex. While Scout is still getting somewhat more mature, she still has a lot to learn about how life in their time period works. For example, that girls do not fight. While Scout sees no problem with beating up a person, she has yet to understand that serious consequences can follow. Granted, she had a reason to attack Francis, but there were more mature ways to handle the situation.
I agree with French that scout doesnt want to be more of a lady, but wants to obey atticus. I think this because if atticus hadnt told her to stop then she wouldnt have and still would be beating up kids at school. She still acts like a tomboy because it makes Jem happy. If jem is pleased with her then she gets to play with him and Dill.
I agree with Alex, both Jem and Scout have both become more mature. Scout is trying really hard to obey her father, even when it is tough. Yes, she did fight her cousin, but at school she decided to walk away from the people who were making fun of her father. Jem is also becoming more mature. He stopped playing the Radley game and he is not talking or making that many jokes about the Radleys any more. I agree with what many people are thinking, that we are going to find out more about the Radleys and Jem and Scout might meet Boo.
I agree with Alex that scout and Jem are beginning to become interest in because they not scar of him and he is beginning to help them example the tree hole and putting the blanket on scout
Grant, I never said she was COMPLETELY becoming a lady, I just said she is progressing more and more each day. And it was not only the fact Scout's cousin said what he said that made her upset, it WAS somewhat the fact that she didn't think it was fair. Everything was seeming to be her fault which made her upset. But I agree with whomever said she was becoming more independent because she is not always relying on her brother for things as much anymore. Her progression grows on by the day.
One change I noticed was in Scout and Jem's realationship. At the beginning they were best friends, but when Dill comes it starts to change. The second summer Dill is there, Jem is even farther away from Scout. He doesnt want to hang out with a girl, and thinks Scout is getting too girly. That's why Scout began to be closer to Miss Maudie.Also, Dill and Jem want to go see Boo, but Scout is skeptical about going near the house.
Another change is that in the beginning the Radley's are completely outsiders and everyone is very afraid of them. They're still outsiders, but Dill is different and wants to meet Boo. So, Dill and Jem go and try to meet him. Before, Jem would never go anywhere near them.
I agree with Kasey that they are becoming more mature. Scout wants to obey her father, but I think that it is more because her father does so much for her and she wants to make him proud. But it also probably has to do with the fact that she is becoming more mature.
With what Emily said, I think Scout does'nt just act like a tomboy because of Jem. Now I think she tries a little harder to be more like a boy since he says she's too girly, but before she was naturally a tomboy.
To nikki i feelthat even before Jem made fun of her she still acted like that to try and fit in with him so he would not find her as an annoying little sister.
i think that Scout is becoming a little more girly. also Jem starts to separate from Scout, after they were so close together. the kids all become brave when they finally go on the Radley's property.
I agree with Nikkie. I feel that Jem wants Scout to still be a "tomboy" but many other people are trying to make Scout act more like a girl. Scout still wants to be accepted by her brother, and does not want to be made fun of, so she wants to keep acting like a "tomboy." Other people think that she has gotten to the age where she should stop acting like a "tomboy," and start acting more like a girl. They think that it is not proper of her to still be acting like a "tomboy," at her age. She is getting pulled in different directions by many people. She wants Jem to still like her and like Emily said, she doesn't want Jem to think of her as an annoying little sister. But, Scout is getting pulled by other people, to start acting like a normal girl should. for example, Scout's family such as her Uncle Jack wants her to be more like a lady. On page 105 it says, "'You want to grow up like a lady, don't you.' I said not particularly." That shows how Scout is getting pulled to be a lady by some people such as her Uncle Jack, and staying a "tomboy" such as Jem.
I agree with Alyssa that the diffferent people saying she should act like a lady or a tomboy. I feel that Scout wants everyone to be happy with who she is, but she doesnt get a chance to say how she wants to be. She only goes with tomboy i feel because if Jem doesnt like her then she wont be able to see Dilol because he will always be with Jem.Because of this she does what he wants. If it wasnt for Dill i believe that how she acts would be diffferent because then she wouldnt need Jem to like her as much.
To what Emily said,
Yes she acted like a boy so he wouldnt find her too annoying, but also she was probably born a little boyish. Some girls are born like a tomboy and they dont try. Even if she did try to act more like a boy to make him happy, it didnt seem like she tried hard. She naturally liked doing the same thngs as him.
I also agree with all of the people who said that the kids are becoming less afraid of the Radley's. At the beginning of the book, it was a very big deal for Jem to go and just touch the house. Now they are getting less afraid. They enter the property and even try and peer in the windows. If they hadn't changed from the beginning of the book, they would be way to scared to even think about doing that. That shows that they are becoming less afraid, which i think also shows maturity. They are starting to realize how they shouldn't be afraid of the Radley house just because it is different and they don't know much about it.
I agree with what Nikkie said about how some girls are born tomboyish. I think that Scout was born tomboyish but others are pushing her to stop being tomboyish. I think that she likes being a tomboy and doesn't see why she should change and act like a lady. I think that she just wants to stay acting how she has been her whole life and doesn't see why other's can't accept her being a tomboy.
To what nikkie said it does seem like she was born like a tomboy, but Jems feelings of her extended to her becoming more of a tomboy.
And to what Alyssa said, i feel that yes they are less scared, but they also have spent alot of time playing these games and are getting used to them just being part of the neighborhood.This makes them seem less scared because they realized that they are just normal people that shouldnt be judged on the way in which they act.
To what Emilie said,
I agree that they are realizing they are just normal people and that the repatition of the games is making them more at ease but i feel that it goes deeper than that and that it is also because they are growing up and therefore becoming more mature.
I agree with Nikkiee, I think that Scout was born tomboyish. She is also a tomboy because she lives with her father and her brother I know that sometimes living with no mother or sister may not affect someone to be more lady like or tomboyish, but I think it is affecting Scout. She just wants to fit in with Jem and Dill, she also wants to be like her dad. Even though Atticus, Jem, and Scout do practically live with Calpurnia, she can not always be around to help Scout become lady like. She is busy cooking and cleaning.
I agree with Alyssa and Emilie. At first they were all afraid to even walk by the Raldey's house because of all the rumors, but now they are maturing and they do not fear the Radley's, as much. Jem even went back to the Radley's house, alone to get his pants. I do think they still are kind of scared of the Radley's because of what they heard about Boo. But soon, I am guessing, they will meet him and learn that the rumors were fake and he is actually a nice guy.
I agree with Emily and French. I think that Jem and Scout have changed, when talking about the Radleys. At first, when discussing it with Dill they were saying how scary the Radleys were, and how no one really knows them. Also, Jem would literally run by the house. But now, (mostly) Jem is very curious, and is trying so hard to get Boo out of the house. Scout has changed a little because she was scared before, and now she isn't as scared, but she hasn't changed to such an extreme that she really wants to see/meet Boo. Jem has definitely changed, concerning his opinion about the Radleys.
this is character development because of how they change towards the radlys at first the kids make fun of boo. after a while they relize the romurs about boo are not true,but this does not mean the children have lost complete intrest in the radleys
another thing is the communitys feelings towards scout's tomboyness. they think she should be learning manners and start to wear a dress like a "proper lady". once a lady yelled at her for
wearing overalls and told her she would work at the ok diner because of her boyish adittude
I agree with evan when he says that the general veiw of "boo" radley. Scout has also grown as a character and a narrator. She has grown up both phisically and in her views in the world around her. At the beggining she didnt understand terms such as "nigger lover" which plays a crucial role in the book. Jem's view of Scout is also one of the things that changes in the book. As he gets older jem seems to grow further and further from scout.
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